Ep. 118 How to Develop Psi Ability: Remote Viewing Training with Social RV Creator Chase McCarty

Show Notes Everybody’s A Little Bit Psychic: How to Develop Psi Powers Using The Social RV App with Chase McCarty Charna Cassell: [00:00:00] Welcome back to LaidOPEN Podcast. I'm your host Charna Cassell, and if you have listened to prior episodes, by now, you figured out that I am interested in consciousness of all forms and ways to have a clearer, more focused, calm, nervous system and capacity to see things and feel things with our bodies and our minds and beyond our five typical senses. So building your intuition. And so one of those ways is through remote viewing. And my guest today is Chase McCarty. He is a software engineer and the founder of Social RV, which is an app that trains your capacities to remote view and improve that as a skill given that we are all psychic, whether we embrace it or know it or deny it. We all have that capacity, some more than others, but you can train it. And so we get into all the [00:01:00] details of psi ability and what psi ability is and remote viewing. And And we talk about how all of this is relevant in terms of trauma and embodiment. So. I hope you enjoy today's episode and check out his app. Welcome Chase. [00:02:00] Charna Cassell: Thank you so much for joining me. Chase McCarty: Good to be here. Charna Cassell: And so you are the creator of Social RV, which is an app that helps people train and learn how to do remote viewing, right? Chase McCarty: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We, we think of it almost like the next stage of apps like Headspace or Calm that taught meditation and brought some of that into the mainstream. We think that the next phase of that, the sort of like spirituality and mindfulness practice will be in some of the PSY skills, like remote viewing, divination, psychokinepsis, things like that. Charna Cassell: So for people who don't know what ppsi ability or ppsi skills are, can you just give. A little. Chase McCarty: Yeah. Absolutely. If people are familiar with like tarot or astrology or things like that those are often referred to as magic with a CK on the end, and that's kind of this like whimpsical thing that, you know, maybe, or maybe does not exist [00:03:00] in the world. You could think of them as like, you know, powers that science doesn't fully understand anyway. And Ppsi spelled P-S-I. Ppsi kind of the scientific study of those abilities. So they'll take psimilar abilities to like what underlies tarot or what underlies astrology or what underlies psychic readings. And they'll try to create a diff, a tweaked verpsion in the lab and maybe practiced with, with better protocols. Charna Cassell: And so you, you could think of it like studying meditation you know, at an ashram in India compared to like, studying meditation with like a muse, headband and like a scoreboard, I guess. Well, and, and the, to give the listeners some context, how I met you was through one of the researchers that's part of the telepathy tapes. That's right. Right. And so the, so the telepathy tapes has, has grown in, you know, bigger than Joe Rogan, which is so pleapsing for me. [00:04:00] And so that's, that's bapsically going, okay, how can we take something that conventional dominant culture may not support or believe in, and how do we create repeated repeatable circumstances that can be confirmed through science. Chase McCarty: Yeah, that, that's exactly right. Yeah. There's, there's actually quite a large body of research around what's called p psi. Mm-hmm. Going back, you know, 60, 70 years. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And the research is, is well done. And if you actually go read it, you know, it does, it is very convincing. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: But it just hasn't been as in mainstream science because while they are able to display that there is a strong effect, they have no idea how it works and so mm-hmm. And they've also struggled to find like useful things to do with it. And so it kind of just stays in the lab. Waiting for like either a better explanation or a better use that will like, cause it to be better distributed in the world. Charna Cassell: Yeah. Something that I would love to get into more in a little bit, 'cause I'd like to ease our way in, but [00:05:00] is the government's use of these technologies and the government does do around this and has done research and of course like how it's been used for, for potential gaining an edge with warfare. But so that there is, there are very logical men out there that have actually invested and studied in this, even though this, it's kind of a thing that I feel like is often dismissed as woo woo . Chase McCarty: The men in the government that are not woowoo. Yeah. They, they certainly did spend time researching it. That's also partly how I found it and found the woo. I would say so I'm a software engineer by training. I'm a pretty logical male, right? But slowly over time I've always been interested in like fringe topics, but usually fringe topics from like a scientific Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And so just over many years, hearing great guests on podcasts, talking about, you know, near death experience research or [00:06:00] LSD research, like Stan Grof's LSD research. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: All these different like modified consciousness experiences where continually researchers are showing that like, hey, these, these people in this state were able to like, acquire new information. And we later proved that information to be true and proved it to be something that they didn't know before. And cases proved it to be something that nobody knew before. Mm-hmm. And it crops up again and again and again in these different areas of research. And then hearing about this remote viewing research from the government, that was something that while I was on a sabbatical from, from between two jobs I dove into a little bit more because unlike near death experiences which are kind of hard to have by accident or on purpose hard to have on purpose, hard to Charna Cassell: plan on purpose. Yes, yes. Chase McCarty: Yeah. to have by accident, hard to have on purpose. Yeah. I'm like that. And I mean, I could do a bunch of LSD, but I don't know if I'm gonna learn anything from that. This, this area of, of altered conscious is really easy to study. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And so if you're the kind of [00:07:00] person who is really interested in like, did anyone actually measure this? How do we know true? Mm-hmm. Charna Cassell: You Chase McCarty: can read the research, the research is compelling, but ultimately, like I, I kind of wanna see it for myself. Charna Cassell: Yeah. Chase McCarty: And so remote viewing is like one of those ways to really like, see it for yourself, psit down and in like 10 minutes, 15 minutes, you'll, you'll have a result that you can. Say something about. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And, I really like it as compared to some of the other "magic" practices, like, like tarot and psychic readings because a and a lot of those you can leave a psychic reading or a tarot reader and they might have what felt like really profound inpsights Mm-hmm And I've certainly had that experience I I've felt like they really got at something that they shouldn't have been able to get at that Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: But then you're also kind of just left wondering like oh but like they could have said could they have said that to anyone and they would've felt that way Or like is it just chance? And this type of remote viewing research is much more like measurable right Like you can actually measure exactly how [00:08:00] likely it was that they got the data that they got Mm-hmm And things like Charna Cassell: that Mm-hmm And so how did you start? So you said you were on sabbatical and you started doing this research What was it that had you go down that particular rabbit hole Why were you interested? Chase McCarty: It was actually partly the telepathy tapes Okay So I had I had already read a lot of books on the subject on a little bit on remote viewing and on the LSD near-death experience research. Mm-hmm I'd been I'd been primed in that direction And then I left my AI startup that I was at to take psix months off, and that was right when the telepathy tapes were like off and the subject was coming back into the forefront Mm-hmm And so, you know I had free time on my hand and I was kind of getting back into the subject Mm-hmm That was also with like the whole U-F-O-U-I-P topic They were talking about cyonic assets and stuff like that Mm-hmm It was kind of everything was bridging back together and and so I thought oh you know I I've got time It would be interesting to actually run this experiment myself and like see if it's real. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm And so you started doing it on your [00:09:00] own you started doing your own experiment and then you The creation of the app Why don't you, explain a little bit about how the app works in terms how targets cetera so that people can imagine what the Yeah Chase McCarty: Yeah Charna Cassell: What the process Chase McCarty: is is yeah. psimilar to like tarot or psychic readings or astrology the the act of remote viewing is you as a psychic psit down and you're trying to some information to answer a question or to to describe some target or something like that Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: One thing that's unique about remote viewing is during the process you're not allowed know Anything about the target at all you're not allowed to know Is it a person is it a place is it a thing is it a question It could be any of those things And you're not told anything at all. So you psit down with your your paper and your pen and you kind of want to get into like a a meditative trance state. And then you just set your intention to say you know I'd like to [00:10:00] perceive this target that I've been aspsigned, this target that I'll be shown in the future I wanna perceive whatever I can about it. And then as those perceptions come into your mind you'll just write them down. And that can last for like five minutes to some people go like 30 minutes or an hour and then you'll end up with pages of, you know, perceptions, and like drawings and doodles and things like that. Then finally you get to see the that was to you Hmm And you're able to compare like okay well how many of these perceptions actually match the target Mm-hmm And so if you're talking all about you know water and waves and sea breeze and hearing a seagull and stuff like that and then you see the target is you know the beach that's great And if you see the target is like a field in Ohio you're like oh darn I didn't do too good And you're able to to then take those perceptions look at the target and find where you did do good where you didn't do good And and over time kind of train your subconscious to have a do a better job of sharing that information with your conscious mind so you can get it on onto the paper and then you get better Charna Cassell: [00:11:00] And so for you as you started to practice this-- so first how were you on your own? Because you're you know the app generates the target numbers and the things that does all of that for you on your own. Who was... were you having your wife or a friend like come up with a target and then you were practicing that way Or what what were you doing? Chase McCarty: Yeah the very first way we ever practiced was was something psimilar to that. My brother who lives far away from me we had him go to a random location in town and then my wife and I tried to like remote view where he was. Charna Cassell: Okay! Chase McCarty: That was. Okay. It's called a outbound bounder experience and that's what they first did with the government. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And I I didn't do very good but my wife like nailed it like drew the square like it was it was incredible how how good her result was. Charna Cassell: Uhhuh. Chase McCarty: And then after just started looking online for learning resources and stuff like that Mm-hmm And there wasn't a lot of learning resources online but there was Enough at that time And one of the resources is there are webpsites that have what are called target [00:12:00] pools and they'll have like 50 targets and they'll give you, you know your random number of coordinate and then once you're done you can like click reveal and see what the target mm-hmm was. And so I I did that. Charna Cassell: Okay Do you know about the Monroe Institute have you? Chase McCarty: Yes. Charna Cassell: Have you done anything very familiar with the Monroe Institute? Chase McCarty: During my sabbatical, that was actually the bigger question I kind of wanted to answer or it was it was definitely in the mix of the whole gateway process the CIA gateway experience psychic spies thing I tried to do the gateway tapes and during that psix the remote viewing stuff. Didn't have- any like crazy crazy out of body experiences. Stuff that was interesting but nothing that I was like oh this is definitely a thing but I I do plan actually to go to the Monroe Institute in the future and and do a training there I haven't haven't booked it yet but I I'm definitely planning to do that. Yeah. Charna Cassell: Yeah It's it's been on my list for a long time and I think that the their prices have like doubled or tripled what used to be yeah. It's, [00:13:00] not, it's not cheap. but it's totally interesting to me. And so as you progressed I mean I know that you work at a you is is would you say call it a gaming? Chase McCarty: Yeah I I I work in ai. So. So you Charna Cassell: work in ai. Chase McCarty: Yeah It doesn't really matter what company you're at guess Charna Cassell: Yeah yeah. So I'm just thinking like the the process of one person would approach this more because like from spiritual vantage point and they have a particular interest in consciousness that way and another person approaches it because they're, they're like a more linear or scientific standpoint. And I'm curious about the process of taking it and making it into an app and if the the of gamifying hmm Deep consciousness It's like how are you how are you holding that? Is it? Chase McCarty: Yeah that's a great-- Charna Cassell: What's the intention behind it? Chase McCarty: That's a great question. So there's a there's a couple. So on on the one hand you know I would prefer to believe that the [00:14:00] world is like a more whimpsical magical place than not because I think life is just more fun that way. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm . Chase McCarty: But I also want to delude myself if I if I can know like the actual true answer about the world. Mm-hmm and so initially is like the whole plan with Social RV was like I I wanted to know I wanted to know for sure what the what the answer was. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And so it was initially a research platform but the thing is once you know about this this magical ability that humans have then all of a sudden it becomes like a bigger calling, right? And you're like oh this is real. People need to know about this. What ?This is crazy! Now the stated goal is kind of to onboard the next million people to these sorts of abilities and just you know them more become more comfortable with the idea of it even being a thing. Maybe try it for themselves. I really liken it to meditation right? Mm-hmm. Like 10, 20 years ago, meditation seen as like much stranger much more woo woo. You wouldn't like go tell your boss at work [00:15:00] like oh I was meditating this weekend. Like that would be kind of weird, right? And now like fortune 500 companies have common headspace as part of their benefits package and they're like yes you should go meditate. it will help you at work. Charna Cassell: As long as it makes you money we see the value. Yes As long as it helps you, potentially. Yeah. So. Chase McCarty: Obviously, like it's not all about money and you should do it because it it's personally good for you. I'm hoping to get remote viewing that place as well or like ppsi abilities in general to that place as well where people see it and like ideally creatives see it as a way to enhance their creativity or something like that. And it just becomes part of your personal spiritual practice and you find value in it and just are aware that it's a thing to try and and see how it fits into your lifestyle. Charna Cassell: Yeah. How are you seeing in terms of ppsi ability research? It feels like telepathy tapes is definitely normalizing it more. What do you see given that you're you are on the research end of things? Chase McCarty: Yeah telepathy tapes definitely normalized the conversation a little bit more. Especially, because it came [00:16:00] became so popular and it became like an easy way for people to like share an episode and be like, "Hey I heard this weird thing. What do you think about this?" And it's funny once you actually breach the subject broach the subject with a lot of people most people will actually say like, "Oh! I've had an experience that I could never explain," that was weird or, "Oh yeah I actually kind of totally believe that." And so it's funny once you talk one-on-one with people you'll find more people than not are actually pretty to the idea but most people are afraid to talk about it cause not the case. And that most people would think that they're crazy. Yeah And then on on the research pside, you know, we certainly see that everybody's a little bit psychic, right? Once you see it for yourself it's kind of like a big aha moment of like oh wow I kind of sort of thought maybe this was a thing before but but this result was way better than I think it should have been and to the point that we have users reach out to us who do n't believe that we're telling the truth. They think that [00:17:00] maybe when they're submitting their sespsions we're like actually going and finding a target that like matches their sespsion really well and showing it to them and lying to them and saying like oh yeah you're so psychic. But we have, we have technology on the platform and we we can prove that that's not the case and we can prove that Like no one could have known the target before you submitted your results And you couldn't have cheated We couldn't have cheated. No one could have colluded and cheated. Charna Cassell: What's so interesting about that is it really shows how attached people are to of seeing and knowing and how you know that it's I didn't say that they scared but the fact that they would be going out of their way to reach out to you and be like, "you must be lying to me!" It like rattles their sense of reality. And I think that we're dealing with so right now, you know with Epstein files and just just so many things that have people so freaked out and they're questioning reality And like [00:18:00] humanity's goodness is you know it's like perception of goodness. What is common and what is not common And Yeah I think it's important I think it's important that we we like to believe we live in these very clean little boxes sometimes. Whether it's around gender consciousness or you know? Chase McCarty: Yeah Reality's really rattled right now. There's a lot of stuff going on I mean it has been for the last, like five years Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: On the one hand like you can see that people are rattled and uncomfortable but then on the other hand it's easy to layer like one more thing one more crazy thing on top. And it's like okay. Yeah. Sure. I guess that's true too. Why not? Charna Cassell: Yeah Chase McCarty: yeah This this is the year that every psingle conspiracy theory has come true except for flat earth. So far! But it's only February so who knows? Charna Cassell: Regarding your research what you're seeing I had a theory when I was in when I was in grad school I did a research project and it was very much about how trauma creates a a gateway to [00:19:00] awakening and opening and ppsi abiblity. And I was at the time in an energy medicine school. So I interviewed some people there and other as well. And so I'm curious if because you're not taking any information from. So you I don't know if you you've done any research around but what are you seeing about the the capacities perhaps imbalanced capacities of survivors To be be particularly good with ppsi ability or remote viewing. Is that something that you've seen studies around? Chase McCarty: That's a really really great question so I have seen studies around that and also you know not studies but actions by the US government. It certainly seems to be the case that that people with trauma tend better at these especially people with trauma in childhood especially while they're young children. Right? Those people are out by the organizations that are trying trying to you know weaponize or use these ppsi abilities to some some [00:20:00] ends the government has certainly has a history of doing that and and it's documented as for are we seeing it on Social RV. Yeah. You're right we don't collect enough information just yet to do that part of that reason is because we like to collect ,you know, as little information as pospsible on our users. Because we certainly had some users who were like oh this is the government like rounding up all the psychic people. Great! Which is not true. Charna Cassell: Yeah. Chase McCarty: But you can imagine like it's like yeah sure I could see that Like yeah you should be skeptical but we are going to be collecting more information soon So we're partnering with some researchers from from Ions and from rva which are good organizations in the space to analyze more of our data. And part of that analypsis is we're going to be sending out some opt-in questionnaires to users. And in those questionnaires we're going to be asking questions like you know you have a history of trauma. Are you like left-handed, right? Gender. Mm-hmm. Age. All those sorts of demographic information that researchers would be interested in finding. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And then hopefully we'll have some more results of our own there and then we also probably will have some more [00:21:00] options in the application for you to share more information about yourself We're just finding out like the best way to do it very safely and in a way that doesn't feel invapsive. It would all be optional of course but even still we want to we wanna be thoughtful about how we do it. Charna Cassell: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So the something like that, you know a more technical term would hyper attunement And that that can show up in in people who who have a history of trauma. And the way that I was thinking of it cause when I tried to do this research project over 20 years ago, I couldn't find any books. There was nothing I could find to pull from and maybe I just didn't know the to search. Right? Like that this stuff with the government existed, but I didn't know about that the way that I conceived of it based on the conversations I was having with people about when you're a child and you're being abused and there's no resource and and and consensual third dimenpsional reality you're praying or [00:22:00] asking for help. That that um there is access in other dimenpsion to other dimenpsions and help that's always available that can then meet you. Chase McCarty: Yeah. Charna Cassell: And and ways to escape phypsical body. So I'm you know I'm I'm also very interested and curious about out-of-body experience compared to to remote viewing there are doorways that are always available to us but we are trained outta being able to access them or see them you said like younger as when we're younger children we're not so conditioned, right? I'm curious if you have anything you wanna say Chase McCarty: I think you're right that there's a dissociative aspect to it and becoming more comfortable dissociating outta your body or spending more time dissociated probably increases your senpsitivity to these sorts of like energies. And then there's probably like a hyper vigilance component, as well, right? Mm-hmm You're looking for sense of like ability to predict what's about to happen. Like your hearing is probably more attuned. Yeah. Like you [00:23:00] hear when your parent gets home and like the lock clicks, right? Any any sensory information that your body can latch onto. It's probably searching for more than average and some of those things that might find could be quote unquote like ppsi senses, as well . Charna Cassell: Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that That I that I appreciate about this app cause I think that I you know yes we are all psychic and people doubt themselves. And what's tricky is when you're very attuned. And you get things right a lot of the time it's like no we're not always a hundred percent right about things And sometimes for for survivors it can there can be a tricky thing of like. What's my gut what's actual intuition and what's a fear response. Yeah And being able to decipher those things And so I think there's so much value in building the muscle and the muscle of focus. Calming the system so much, so much. We have so much access when we're in a calmer space and [00:24:00] then being intuitive, right? Like building our intuitive muscle. And it's something you absolutely can build but, but people just go to a gym instead. They don't think about that as a muscle. Chase McCarty: Yeah. Yeah. I mean even even the best you know remote viewers in the world the like joe who are like the government like MK Ultra. Mm-hmm. Ultra secret spy. Mm-hmm. They're only right like 40 of the time. Mm-hmm. When they're right they're super right. Right? Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: But not not every time. And so part of like practicing remote viewing does is it your brain. You know. Subconscious unconscious mind to have, be a better dialogue between each other. And so when that information kind of surfaces your conscious mind is better able to parse it and understand it. And so you know if you are having thoughts come to you during the day that you think might be like extra sensory perception. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: This acts as a way to strengthen your ability parse and understand that data and get better at it over time. Instead of just jumping [00:25:00] to conclupsions which sometimes may be right. But often might be wrong. Charna Cassell: What's interesting about that is also um you know when you jumping to conclupsions there might be you might get an in you might get something that is your particular symbol that you associate with a particular thing and then you have to def have to interpret that symbol, right? So, it's not the literal symbol. I know I'm being yeah I'm being vague here. And The energy medicine training that I would do what we were one of the things that we were training to do was divergent and convergent focus right So being able to be in the center of your head and then view something outpside. Of your body Like if you're reading somebody and then you let's say you get images of of the forest for one person the image of a forest is like that is their happy place. That's where they're see, you know really soothed and you know they feel free and they feel connected. And another place like they were [00:26:00] abused in the forest. Yeah. They're terrified of the forest you know? Yeah. So whatever your symbols are it's like you may not be getting the exact same meaning that it means for the person you're reading but it you have to be able to decipher know yourself well enough know your consciousness well enough to be able then interpret and make sense of what you're seeing. Chase McCarty: Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's like playing charades or Pictionary with your subconscious. Charna Cassell: I love that. Chase McCarty: For a better team over time. Charna Cassell: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right? You're like... you're like I know the thing that's gonna get that, you know? Chase McCarty: Yeah Charna Cassell: That person to understand what I'm to say or draw or perform. Chase McCarty: Yep. Exactly. The way that we I like to use remote viewing. We like to use remote viewing here and the government used remote viewing Mm-hmm Was when you acquire this information right? The best viewers are only right like 40 of the time Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: people aren't making decipsions or taking actions so much based on this data but upsing it as an additional [00:27:00] hint. Mm-hmm. About something that they a lead that they could look into right. Mm-hmm. If they have no leads or no ideas and then they'll use other means to like check that out and then make a a decipsion right. Mm-hmm. And so for example you were like remote viewing an illness someone had right And you said like, oh I think it's their pancreas. You like immediately go get medicine for their pancreas. You'd be like okay well let's go to the doctor and let's say. "Hey can you look at the pancreas." Right? Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: Something like that. Mm-hmm. And so sometimes you'll see with more entertaining uh psychics online where they like to come up with answers and jump to conclupsions and things like that You'll see them take some data and then they'll just come up with a story about it, right? And they'll jump all their conclupsions. Yeah. And one great example I love I the story. This was like several several years ago. Someone was remote viewing like Elon Musk and they wanted like secrets about Elon Musk, as as one does. Like everyone wants secrets about Elon Musk, Right? And they were like oh I see him like [00:28:00] talking to this black hole and getting information from it. And then and they went on this like long story about how he has like secret connection with aliens. Mm-hmm. And they communicate through black holes and and all this stuff. It's like okay sure The new AI that he just released that he talks to logo is a black hole. Charna Cassell: There you go. Okay Chase McCarty: So like yeah you weren't wrong but like you also weren't right. Charna Cassell: Right right right Well and again that's it's it's it's interesting. You know I I'm a I'm a trauma therapist and psitting with people right So again it's like ba based on your history a a certain experience you have like let's say you've been cheated on then you're gonna be looking for psigns that the your current person might be cheating on you right? Yeah. So you're always We're always viewing things through our own conscious filter and unconscious filters, right? Chase McCarty: Mm-hmm Charna Cassell: Yeah. So, it's like what do you [00:29:00] what do you trust? And so then that brings me to the to the body And again it's a tricky thing Sometimes the body the sensations we're feeling in the body can be pure based from our history We have fear fear based sensations and con constriction in the belly That could be fear or it or it could be giving you information that that your body's saying no to something right Yep So I'm curious I I when I I played with the with the remote viewing a few times and in one of them I had very strong bodily sensations and. Mm-hmm. There's different ways that we get sensations right There's some people might have more like auditory some people might be describing visuals there's phypsical sensation What do you see? Is there a certain tendency. Chase McCarty: Yeah. So what you're describing with the bodily sensations is called bilocation. Mm-hmm Which is when you're like you know having a full body of the of the target remote viewing's know a bad word to describe the practice Because very rarely do you see the target [00:30:00] And even if you do something it's usually not the target It's usually just like a a way your subconscious to convey something about it. Mm-hmm. Remote remote perception might be better. Charna Cassell: Mm Chase McCarty: But by by location's very common. In fact my wife gets bilocation like incredibly viscerally. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: To the point that sometimes uh if she gets a target. Where she has it bad. She'll she'll need to like take 30 minutes 40 minutes to recover after cause it feels so strong. Yeah. And there was there was like one example a target I gave her um she's she's a little bit afraid of of heights which is important context Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: And in her sespsion she was um very adamant She's like yeah I feel like I'm in this little metal container with like a vast expanse in front of me It's like floating I'm feel like I'm a pie I really don't like it. You know I feel like there's like a vibration like a hum. Mm-hmm. And and she was like kind of shaken up. She really didn't like it. And it took her like 30 minutes to like feel better afterwards. And what she drew, it kinda looked like she was in like a space capsule or something like that And the Charna Cassell: [00:31:00] yeah. Chase McCarty: You know the universe was in front of her and I went and got the target. The target was the peak tope gondola in whistler, BC. Where you're in the gondola and you go between the peaks of the mountain. So you and you're the gondola was in the middle of the two mountains. So you are like in those little metal box up high expanse in front of you big glass window right? Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: And so she felt by location like extremely strongly then and and during other sespsions has as well It's certainly something people report and people need to recover from sometimes. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah As you were describing that I started feeling nauseous. Like, and and so given that I mean is this is interesting thing like a lot of resources I I always check in I'm like well what how are they are there any ways to make it trauma informed Right And then in this case because there's so little information that you're gathering from people or that you're doing all you're doing is giving a number and then you know people have to go there and it's like yeah Charna Cassell: as people are [00:32:00] into one thing What do you think the are I mean so in, in that case that's literally your your wife was feeling into kinesthetically feeling into the experience of. Yeah. The target And it was and it produced potential fear or discomfort or whatever she was experiencing. What about cases where people because they're just psimply tuning into I'm curious maybe this is the intended target but they're actually going into and feeling into other Things that can be incredibly unsettling unintentionally. Chase McCarty: Yeah that that's a that's a really good point so we've thought about this a bit and we have some safety guardrails but I think you bring up a different dimenpsion to it that that's really interesting we should talk about. When it comes to target, you know there are like quote unquote unsafe targets right? Mm-hmm. If if it's a target of someone being like tortured like you don't want to give that target [00:33:00] to someone and a remote viewer would not like to receive it right? Charna Cassell: Yeah. Chase McCarty: And so there there are many things like that. Also like you know some people believe if you try to remote view like skin walker ranch or like a dangerous, you know being that can be bad. So in our target pool on Social RV like we have none of those dangerous targets. And we have moderation in place that anybody from from uploading them because people can also upload for themselves and stuff like that Okay which currently you're not able to do other people's targets but in the future we'll allow that Charna Cassell: Yeah. Chase McCarty: Yeah. We don't we don't allow any of that on the platform. But you bring up a really interesting point that while we don't allow any of the like broad dangerous targets a target that's safe for one person might actually be dangerous for another person Right ? Charna Cassell: Right. Chase McCarty: Um We don't account for that. today. That's something we probably should account for And so in future we'll probably have more granular controls about what targets you wanna see and an ability to say like oh you know I'm really afraid of heights so please don't give me any heights related to targets. Mm-hmm Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: [00:34:00] I think I think that would that would be a nice thing to add right? Or maybe you do want heights related to targets cause you wanna overcome your fear like who knows? Well Charna Cassell: so that I mean that's super interesting. I mean, that's, it's, it's uh You know it brings whole concept of exposure therapy. So if you actually experience, this is just me think wondering like if you if you're able to repeatedly go to a play like intentionally a series of those things and and get minor doses, just cause you're going into it now nevermind I'm just gonna erase that whole line of thinking cause it doesn't really make sense. Chase McCarty: No I think I think there's something to it. Yeah, there's also, yeah Another aspect Yeah There's called displacement. And so sometimes you'll view a target and uh your attention will get pulled whatever is most interesting to you. Mm-hmm. Right? And so some people might view targets. Be much better at viewing like the thoughts going on in the people's heads at the target than the [00:35:00] actual target itself Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: And so they might get displaced to that and they might come up with some data that kind of seems weird and nonsenpsical. Mm-hmm. And if you had full information about the target and the people present then it would make sense. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Chase McCarty: Oftentimes when you're doing a target by you'll see that and you'll just be like okay well this is either totally incorrect or I have noway to verify if any of it's Right. One of the interesting things we with Social RV because you can actually see everyone else's sespsion for the same target, you can start to see if there are these weird pieces of data at first glance don't seem to be right but like everyone's getting. Charna Cassell: Uhhuh Chase McCarty: And so like uh and the the I first saw this when I did like a remote viewing class. Right? And there there was a class where the target was this polar bear and and one person got like a bunch of stuff about like weddings and it's like okay well that's not right. But then they find out that like the person next to em also got a bunch of stuff about weddings and it turns out [00:36:00] like 5 out of 12 people got stuff about weddings. And then all of a sudden you're like well wait what is it about weddings that everyone's getting on this white the white polar bear? Was the photographer a wedding photographer too? Are there wedding pictures on the SD card Is it the white polar bear? Yeah. Like who knows We don't know. But it's interesting that like obviously that's not a complete miss cause all these people are getting it right. So what is it? We don't know. Charna Cassell: But that to me the whole in the information kind of the the transpersonal communication. I was at a writing retreat And what's so fascinating is that when certain themes like we're just having a random prompt and everyone's pieces are completely different about completely different things. And they're just you know maybe there was this one poem a whole poem read and everyone's taking a different part of the poem That's A an unconscious thought writing for for 30 minutes uninterrupted Yet the same themes like there will be something that weaves throughout multiple pieces is always so, [00:37:00] so interesting to me. Right? Or a a group medicine journey Chase McCarty: Yep Charna Cassell: And same themes show up in the space. Chase McCarty: That happens in art a lot it really like most great artists will say. Like my art doesn't come from me I think my art comes from somewhere else, and I just need to be at the right place at the right time to receive it. Like that's my job. Yes. Charna Cassell: Yes. Chase McCarty: But you'll see like the amount of art about 9/11 before 9/11 happened. Mm-hmm. Or the amount of art about the Titanic before the Titanic sank. Mm-hmm. There is like mountains of it. And you can you can go search right? Like the there was a book called the Titan, you know 50 or a 100 years before the Titanic that described this big luxury boat with all these important people on it that hit a iceberg and sank. Charna Cassell: Well and so that, I mean that's about prophetic Art creation Yeah But then there's what just lives in the collective unconscious? I wanna I wanna go back to this piece about you know potentially viewing creepy locations. And I think I sent you a something I saw a a reel that I [00:38:00] saw this woman who she called it remote viewing and you were quick to say like well, that's not technically remote viewing because with the remote viewing you can't know what your target is. And so what is it called When she bapsically was like we're I've had a lot of requests to look at you know the Epstein's ranch. I'll Chase McCarty: say a a couple things about So yeah for for one I can't say for sure that when she did her sespsion she didn't know what the target was but it certainly sounds like she did. Charna Cassell: Right! She was specifically being asked to look at yeah she was uh in her reel she was going, I wanna see what I can sense about where bodies might be. Yeah Chase McCarty: Yeah Charna Cassell: And like what in you know so it was like so so sorry everybody kind of gruesome but like this is real. Yeah. And i'm sure there's a lot of people out there trying to sense these things right now. Chase McCarty: So there are profespsional remote fears profespsional psychics that do work for the FBI the government for private industry things like that. That does exist. [00:39:00] Yes. And I know I know those people they get paid for it well stuff. And the way that they do it is the psychic does not ever talk to the customer. There is like a project manager their job is to talk to the customer and get the information about the question the customer would like asked And then they go to the psychic and they say like, "okay we've got a project .Go view it." And that's they don't get any information, right? Or they might get the tiniest sliver of like the customer is interested in a location Mm-hmm So like don't bother some action or some person like focus on location. Mm-hmm. Right? That's that's how it's actually done to be good enough that you can know anything about the target and still get useful data because you're able to like discern what parts of information coming to your mind are like psychic and what parts are made up Some of the best in the world can sort of do that. It is incredibly difficult and you need an incredibly strong track record before anybody should believe anything that believe that you have that ability to do that right? Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And there's actually not even really [00:40:00] a good place to display a track record actually social I might be place where as a psychic you could go and you could show like oh this is my track record of these 200 sespsions Like this is how often I I got right Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: So most of those people that are saying like oh I remote viewed X and this is what I learned is like the same thing as like psitting down by yourself and being like Hmm I wonder where the Epstein bodies are Let's come up with a fun fictional story about where we think they might be. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And maybe like 1 of it might be like ppsi informed whether on purpose or by accident right? Just like if you had a bunch of people make up a story they might have come with psimilar themes just like you were saying. That might be in the global unconscious. But yeah even if ppsi is real and even if they're a really great psychic if they know what they're viewing it doesn't mean that they'll get accurate information. Charna Cassell: So, you know, ketamine is a new, is a thing being used a lot. And I didn't understand I tried it. I was like, what's the value of something if I'm working with someone dissociated, right? And here I am trying to help them reembody themselves. And come into [00:41:00] themselves. What is the value of a dissociative, right? and, so what I've now know and understand after working with people I do body work with people sometimes while they're, have taken a ketamine lozenge. People who 'cause it's not safe enough to feel their bodies or feel their feelings life. Suddenly feel themselves because with enough distance, they can actually perceive. Chase McCarty: Hmm. Charna Cassell: And so I was curious if you thought about that or knew anything about Interesting. As it relates to remote viewing and if for remote viewing could function as a for kind of healthy distance and dissociation from oneself. So upsing yourself as a target in a way. Chase McCarty: Yeah. Charna Cassell: You know? Chase McCarty: Yeah. That's really interesting. So upsing as a target is, is very, very interesting. We, we, have some of those targets in Social RV as well, and so, and I've, I've done those targets. They're the best when you don't expect them. And the way that we present them, obviously we don't you what they, we don't tell you you're the target, [00:42:00] right? Yeah. But yeah, I've, I've been in classes with other people as well. And the target will be like, what is the most important person, the viewer is, needs to learn in this life? Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: Or like something really personal and important like that. And it's really interesting to see the number of people who in their sespsion will a starts to at some point be. This, this feels really familiar. This almost feels like I'm looking at myself. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And B, who come away with it, come away from it with really profound answer or experience. And, and oftentimes people even have like, you know, something psignificant happen while they're in their like trance state during, during that sespsion or things like that. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And it's especially interesting when, you know, it's a target that you're just given at random and you can actually see like, oh, just in this sespsion I was talking about this stuff, I felt like I was seeing myself, I felt familiar, blah, blah, blah. And you don't see. That in like any of the other sespsions for any [00:43:00] of the other targets. That is commonly what, what we see. So that's very interesting. And, and is is done for sure. Charna Cassell: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's totally fascinating. I'm, I'm, now I'm like, Ooh, I wanna keep doing it and see. Chase McCarty: So we actually have a feature currently in Social RV where you can, we call it self tasking or make your own custom targets, and then they just get mixed in with the pool. So you never know when you're gonna get one of your own and you never know which one it's gonna be. So it's kind of helps with the whole knowing the target thing. And yeah, you could ask, you could put some questions in there and then they'll just pop up one day for you. Charna Cassell: Can you also submit photographs? Chase McCarty: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Charna Cassell: Oh, that's so interesting. I didn't know that. Chase McCarty: Yeah, you can, so you can submit a photo, you optionally can submit a photograph, submit a description of like the question or whatever. And then when you do the you have the option to make it public or not. And we also moderate all of the pictures and text people submit for their own targets, because in case they make it public, we don't want someone [00:44:00] to go see something they don't wanna see. Right. Charna Cassell: So if I submitted something, it gets mixed into the pool of everybody so somebody else can. Chase McCarty: No. Charna Cassell: Oh, no, no. Just yours. Chase McCarty: Yeah. No, no, no. Okay. But if you make the sespsion public and then someone's like looking through your sespsions and then they see this like gory target you posted for yourself, like, I see still, and, and in the future we think we'll probably have the ability to share your targets with other people optionally. Mm-hmm. And we don't want to like, have with moderation then. Charna Cassell: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would be because Chase McCarty: we already deal with it. Charna Cassell: That's intense. That's creepy to think about like how people could abuse that. Yeah. So what's your ultimate, ultimate depsire, goal, intention, overarching hope with this? You, you spoke a little bit to it at the very beginning. Chase McCarty: The biggest hope is that if ppsi is real, the world needs to know and accept it. Mm-hmm. So there's a couple different ways we're tackling that. One is, you know, we're trying, and hopefully we've already succeeded at this mm-hmm. But we're certainly trying to make like the [00:45:00] psingle place on the intranet where if your friend was skeptical, you could just say like, go, go here to this link. And it will explain it starting at high level and going drilling down into like mm-hmm. As into the nuts and bolts as you want. You scrutinize every data point, rerun all the analypsis yourself. And then if once we have that, then the next question is like, okay, well is it useful? Right? Because if you to a lot of people how electricity or their iPhone works, they'd be like, that's a fun wizard story. Cool. Like magical rocks with light in them. Of course. That like, lets you see me, but they can use their iPhone So they're like, well, I don't really care how it works. It works. So sounds good to me. And so if these can be economically useful repeatedly, then also like people, you know, some percentage of people are like, well, I don't really care if it's real. It works, so who cares? Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: Right. And these are just these different things that you need to get over that hurdle of eventually remote viewing and ppsi abilities becoming as mainstream, as something like [00:46:00] meditation where it's just accepted like, yeah, this is like good for you and it's mm-hmm. And calming and you do it. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, and the government, if it's common enough, the government doesn't kidnap you and study you in a cave somewhere. Chase McCarty: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It'll just, it'll just become so normalized It won't be like as studyable, I guess. Hopefully. Yeah. I don't know. The government connection is, is certainly weird. I will say that is, when I started doing this, I was wondering if I should be concerned for my safety. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: And so far nothing has happened, and I've only met people in the field who assured me like, yeah, you're probably fine. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: Was energy research, if it was research on like plasma phypsics or something like that, I think that's the dangerous one. I don't think you want to go there, but, well, if it's just spirituality, you're good. Charna Cassell: Do you have a, a, a short exercise that you would like to guide our through? Yeah, Chase McCarty: yeah, [00:47:00] absolutely. Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to your guided remote viewing meditation on behalf of social rv.com. I'm Craig Signals and it is my intention to guide you along this journey as you gain access to the quiet mind and make contact with your target. We will start by introducing you to the structure of our interaction. You should begin in a quiet, calm environment where you feel safe and familiar. A sacred space, like your favorite chair or kitchen table. You will need a pen and plenty of pages to write on. Start by writing the date and time at the top of your page. Once we're quiet, I'll direct you through a short series of visualization exercises designed to create a mental environment fitting for the experience. Afterward, I'll instruct you to pick up your writing utensil and write your target ID at [00:48:00] the top of your page. You'll be encouraged to let your hands scribble wildly after your target ID to create a subconscious expression. You can feel with your fingers as you search your target for sensory impressions throughout your session. Nowhere else in your classical everyday experience do you write a question and then speak it out loud. This is how your subconscious mind will learn over time that these questions are meant for it. Think of it like having a conversation with your own non-physical self. The timeless you who has already seen the time. Target you're looking for. I'll give you a pause after every question so you can wait for sensory impressions to bubble up in the quiet mind and record them on your page. If you get a clear and nameable visual image, write it down with the letters a O for analytical overlay. Then allow that instance of nameable imagination. To naturally drift out of your awareness like a leaf in a stream, don't fight against imagination, or it will only become [00:49:00] louder. Just let it drift off easily and naturally, and return to the emptiness of the quiet mind where your remote viewing data is waiting to bubble up for you. If I visualize an igloo, I might write, target feels cold. An extreme environment, difficult to endure, like a place designed to write on a challenging season. Target is a manmade structure with a curved feature on top. And an entryway that feels like a short tunnel with a curved ceiling. See how it works. Let us begin. Breathe deeply and rhythmically in for four seconds and out for four seconds. In[00:50:00] and breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. Continue this pattern and listen to the natural thoughtless rhythm of your breathing as I guide you. Breathe in light. Breathe out fear. Breathe in. Pure light energy. Breathe out your [00:51:00] concerns. Breathe in clean, living love. Energy up from the earth up through the ground beneath you, and up into your body and into your head. Breathe out stale used energy. You feel more and more refreshed and charged by living light, flowing up and shining in your head as you breathe.[00:52:00] Breathe in charging. Light energy up from the earth up through the ground and into your body and up into your head. Now picture an envelope. This is a magic envelope where you can store your mental noise as you breathe out. Picture the first concern that comes to mind, and let it flow into the envelope. Let your concern flow into the envelope.[00:53:00] Let your next thought flow into the envelope in the same way. As you breathe out, picture your next concern that comes to mind and let it flow out with your breath into the envelope. Out, out, out. Your thoughts and concerns flow out of your mind and into the magic envelope. Let go of your concerns. Put them in the envelope.[00:54:00] Continue this until you can't. Easily find a concern when concerns feel difficult to find. Seal the envelope and put it out of sight. You don't need those thoughts right now. Now allow the emptiness. The quiet mind to replace your visualization as you remain expanded in the endless void. Quiet your mind. Feel the bliss of thoughtlessness emptiness.[00:55:00] Now pick up your pen. Repeat after me. It is my intention to describe the picture associated with my target id. Now say the target ID number out loud and write it down. Letting your hands scribble wildly at the end. When you stop scribbling, feel that line with the fingers on your left hand until your fingers feel like they get [00:56:00] stuck on the line a little bit. What does this target feel like? Write that question. And down and speak it and wait for a response. Push gently into your line. And let the subconscious tell you what does this target feel like? Sit with your impressions and observe how they make you feel and record that interaction on your paper.[00:57:00] Write down descriptive words. Talk about how the target makes you feel. Now return to your impression and describe it again using basic language. Let your words flow freely. Think about the impressions you received in response to your question. What does this target feel like? And write about those impressions. Let your words flow freely.[00:58:00] When you're finished describing your impressions, write the word stop. On your page. If you have any additional questions for your target, pause this guidance and use the previous format to interview your target however you'd like. When you're finished, upload your session data to social rv.com. Stand up and stretch and breathe deeply. Being refreshed and filled with new, healthy energy. Call all of the mental and non-physical energy that belongs to you. Back to your physical body. And reflect on the feeling of unity, [00:59:00] your future self, having sent sensory impressions to your past self in session so that the present self might sit in calm and mysterious wonder. Charna Cassell: Thank you how can, how can people find you? What is is the, the app name URL Exactly. Chase McCarty: So it's social-rv.com. If you search Social RV, you should find us. We'll also be in the iOS and Android app stores soon. The apps just, just going through a review right now, so hopefully in the next month we'll be, will be in there. Charna Cassell: Mm-hmm. Chase McCarty: Yeah. And, and at the bottom of the webpsite is links to all of our socials. We're on all of the socials, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, X, Threads. Everywhere. Charna Cassell: And, and else that you wanna share or say before we say goodbye? Chase McCarty: Yeah. I just wanna say you are psychic even if you don't know it yet. You should [01:00:00] go see for yourself. Charna Cassell: I concur. Thank you. This has been LaidOPEN Podcast and I'm Charna Cassell. and if you enjoyed this episode, please like, rate and review it and share it with your friends. That's always appreciated. 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